Subject: [FreeVMS] Re: A kernel to start
From: Bruce Allen (claudevms@home.com)
Date: Thu Nov 15 2001 - 00:17:41 CET
I agree that staying away from the listings is a good idea.
so this new operating system will be VMS like? It will not be able to
participate in a VMS cluster? The header and TLB files have lots of
information
but they don't have things like the "unstoppable" bit nore do they have the
undocumented bit in the process header that will force a VMS executable to
create
a "core dump" like file that ANALIZE can read like a crash dump. This is
like the core dump
file that 'NIX provides.
I have access to a public VMS system and I hope to soon buy an ALPHA system
and a hobbyist license
by spring.
I think STARLET is a source for kenel data structures too. I have to link to
it to do kernel programming.
I have had some medical problems but I hope to setup an anonymous FTP server
on my Windows ME system.
I have UNIX services for Windows and I have cable modem. The upload speed is
limited to 15KB/Sec but my
domain provider does not allow anonymous FTP.
Thanks,
----- Original Message -----
From: <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>
To: <freevms@ml.free.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 3:37 AM
Subject: [FreeVMS] Re: A kernel to start
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 08:54:30PM -0700, Bruce Allen wrote:
> >
> > > How well do you know both VMS and Linux Internals?
> > > It could be useful to know both, so you will have at least a sort of
> > > feeling of how to get from A to B.
> >
> > How well do you know both VMS and Linux Internals? I hope there are some
> > really knowledgeable people on the project. I know some and I have
worked on
> > other OSes.
> >
> > I had a VMS internals class in 1988.
> etc...
>
> Sounds very good.
>
> > unstoppable. I reversed engineered some BLISS and MACRO software from
the
> > VMS source listings, yes I had kernel source listing access, and wrote C
>
> Are you able to reverse engineer things not published in the listings,
too?
> Do you what is emitted? (Apart from lmf)
>
> > If this project is to "clone" VMS then we need the source listings to
get
> > the data structures verbatum.
>
> We do not need the listings to get the data structures.
> I think almost every kernel data structure is in sys$lib_c.tlb.
> Or is something missing?
>
> We ought to keep as much distance to the listings as possible.
> There should be enough implementation details in the Internals books.
>
> -Roar Thronæs
>
>
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